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william davenport
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Patrick Smolka
   My expierience has taught me to carry a bag. Twice in 12 years I had a tool box broken by other workers smashing the toolbox into the gangbox.Contractor didnt want to hear anything about it. Sometimes there isnt enough room for everyone's tools with just one gangbox either.
   I feel all carpenters should have the full spectrum of tools. Anything can be thrown your way during the course of the day. As an apprentice i remember always being asked if someone could borrow my tools. I never wanted to be like that so i have always kept a full bag. Apprentices should also have a full toolbag. If you are not using these tools you are not getting better at perfecting your work.
   As far as a required list of tools. Not a bad idea. I think I would still carry my what I carry. Always best to stay ahead of the game.
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Patrick Smolka
*experience..
..I think I would still carry what I have in my bag now.
    Sorry for the typos, been a long day.
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JOHN GOTTI
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BILLY IN THE 1980'S YOU WERE CARRYING THE BAG FOR JOHN O'CONNOR WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU KIDDING! GO TO AN A.A. MEETING CALL YOUR SPONSOR YOU BLOW JOB!
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BKLYN
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floorlayers carry a full box of tools all the time. And as for gangboxes, where is the steward? Its his/her job to correct that situation. If the steward doesn't make the company abide by its signed agreement then that syeward has NO BUSINESS being a steward in the first place. Too many of these people are just trying to get the formen to speak well of them to the boss so they get more work. How about actually acting as a steward and knowing all that being a steward entails? If the tools don't fit they need to send another box. Plain and simple. Wheres the steward?
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Pat Nee
The easiest solution is to explain to the foreman that personal tools go in first, if there is room, then company tools can also go in the gangbox.
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william davenport
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Daniel J. Franco
Bill, the question needs to be asked accurately. The question is not whether a woodworker SHOULD convey his/her tools in a box. The question is: MUST a woodworker convey his/her tools in a box? However, more specifically, the question is: Is a foreman (of a woodworking company) permitted to (decide whether to he may) refuse employment to a carpenter dispatched via the OWL if that carpenter does not convey/contain his/her tools in a box?
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Ted
Dan - exactly, good points.

What of the City Dweller who always uses the "T", Public Transit? The answer obviously is an emphatic "NO". The fact is whether you have your "tool box" on a dolley, cart etc, your most likely not gonna be allowed on the train or the bus as they simply take up too much room, are too akward & heavy.

Who cares how a brother or sister gets his/her tools to a Jobsite. As long as they bring the appropriate tools to the job, and I note that all apprentices & journeyman know what these tools are - it's not anyone's business. Every Journeyman comes first day with a core set of tools for the job at hand. Past that, all of us at some point end up supplementing that base of tools with additional Tools as the Job progresses and demands to get it done, whatever the task may be.

The Stewards need to focus on the basic shit here - water, shitters (cleaned & with TP), Proper Power Tools & Cordless tools for all the Men, Proper Amount of Shanty's-Gangboxes & Secure Lockup areas for all employee tools, Proper Focus on Safety etc.

You want to eliminate the Corruption, the Illegal Aliens, Cash Workers & 1099 assholes from the jobs, the UBC & Contractors should be required to have Long Form Birth Certificates in the Corporate & the UBC Locals files for all men & woman accepted into the UBC for Employment - period. No if's and's or or's about it - that would end a lot of issues right out of the gate.

When you work & reside in a State which is has a Liberal-Socialist political core, the I-9 requirements of the IRCA (1986) are routinely skirted via these states handing out drivers licenses & other forms of ID's which do not establish Citizenship.

Contractors & the UBC will not do this, because both sides exploit these workers to their advantage and Defraud the Benefit Funds & Line their pockets in the process.

When the UBC & Contractor fires a good man on false charges, by the word of a corrupt Steward who is in bed with the Contractor, by a man who cannot look you in the eye, who is a known liar - the liability when backed up with other witness accounts is thereby established.

When the NYCDCC's grievance & arbitration process is all but a sham, and it is being run by corrupt, convicted, fired thieves, the prima-facie end of the equation is satisfied and the UBC & the Contractor involved do not have a means of defense to satisfy the 4-prong analysis established as precedent in Wrightline (animus, retaliation, shifting reasons of UBC/Contractor defense etc.).

The RO, under the Consent Decree has an obligation and duty to defend, and if need be to directly prep, author & submit the case to the NLRB on behalf of the effected Union Brother or Sister.

Occasionally - to get to the bigger fish & the larger issues, the R.O. has to step back & take up, address and resolve what may appear to be a minor issue. This case is a no-brainer and upon a proper internal investigation by the UBC would lead to the charging of the Steward involved, revocation of his certification and backpay & compound interest for the person thus discriminated against by the fraudulent actions of the Company & the the UBC Union Steward.

If the R.O. does not handle the so called minor issues, then there can be no confidence that the larger issues will be properly addressed. Moreover, the UBC rank & file are paying for the R.O.'s monthly billings, accordingly - a proper defense is thus warranted.
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Ted
bill - get that, same when I got in. handed the BA a resume which was swiftly roundfiled, followed by ...."go get your fucking toolbox & it better not be a mud-bucket or canvas tote or you'll never work oughta this hall".

Like others, I have multiple boxes for varying purposes. Mine is a wood box for finish jobs. Some prefer the std. craftsman type metal box, some prefer canvas totes or backpacks. I don't do the subway thing so I tend take my box to the job & leave it there till the job finishes. I get the part about the Company moving it too - that works too.

Short of the occasional youngster who say is an apprentice & may have had too much fun the fun the night before - never once heard in my life of a brother or sister showing up for work w/o any tools whatsoever...so it's a bit inbcredulous to belive any experienced Journeyman would do so. The only exception I have seen is when the BA says, the first few days/nights whatever - you got X-Number of rigs of stock coming in, everyone will be unloading....but that is rare.

Sounds to me if this is some recurring problem that the Local's E-Baord should address it in the bylaws - maybe that would settle it.
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John Newell Jr.
A Kennedy Box.  That is what my mentor  ( God rest his soul ) carried in 1973 when I was just a greenhorn.  He sold me a used one for $ 10.00   I am on my third one having worn out the other two.  It keeps the rain out, and the sticky fingers out.  I would be embarrassed not to walk on the jobsite without the box.  I am a proud journeyman no matter what, and douche bag McCarron can never take that away.

       I'd love to run into McCarron.  The destroyer of all things good in the carpenters union.  The antithesis of unionism. Some day he will get his....  one way or another. Just like all his other suck pumps that he has bought and paid for. Karma, a Higher Power, maybe a Cosmic Muffin !  What goes around , comes around.

        Anyway, McCarron couldn't carry my jockstrap. Let alone hang drywall.  Never could, never will.  He wouldn't make a pimple on a good union man's ass.
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@bd - They are already required in your Bylaws, just not defined as to type, size, dimension, quantity of tools required. Sounds like we need to send an RFI out the Door. Maybe the DC could sponsor an Apprentice Design Competition and wee could get Norm Abrahms from TOL to judge the contest for the best designed box & make it the standard LOL.

NYCDCC ARTICLE 6 - "WORKING CONDITIONS", item 3) "All members who work at the trade shall use reasonable precaution for the safety of their own tools. They shall provide themselves with a tool box containing a suitable lock. At the end of each day the member shall have locked his or her toolbox and placed them in a suitable locker, to be provided by the Employer".

Article 4.....w/o direct quotations like above, this is the 48-hour rule for theft etc, providing timely notice