Why do Unionized Construction Workers get Paid so much?

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Why do Unionized Construction Workers get Paid so much?

Jack Daniels
With union work losing share to the private sector, the members are furious that wage freezes and cuts are in effect.  Nobody likes to give  back money, especially if it was once given to them before.  
The thing is, unions are overpaid and are losing the jobs to nonunion members.  I am a supporter of nonunion work as many trades are opened by ex-union employees who just got sick and tired of the bullshit and just want to work for a fare salary.  The talk about unions=safer are not true.  If you have heard a project manager/site safety manager go through the "safety check" before the days work, with something that goes like, be safe be alert, watch out for open flames, watch out for the cranes and lifts and enjoy the day.

Minimum wage is sub $10. If x company is willing to work for minimum wage and legal us citizens want to work for the fare wage that is given, then so be it....I"m not talking about the illegal immigrant workers, i'm talking about US citizens such as you and I.  There is no reason to put a rat up because a project went non union.  Why force a developer to use union labor when they should have a choice in how its built?  Afterall, they paid for the land and in America, they should have the liberty to build however they want so long as it is within code.  Would you like it if another power coerced you into being a homosexual?  Stuck a dildo outside of your home and taunted you to go gay because "they" think its the right choice?  It is your mind and your body, you should have the right to choose what you do with it so long as it is within the law.  

Point of the matter is that, play fair...if a job goes nonunion, then change your strategy to get business, not by taunting nonunion jobs.    How much are you paying them workers to stand out on the picket line holding strike material?  Do all of the people even care or did you just pay them minimum wage to stand out there?
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XXXXXXXX
 " i'm talking about US citizens such as you and I. "


You in no way are talikng about the average American.  So be it, what you said we have a right to do make $10/hr.  

Explain to us all then how you chase the dream @ $10/hr. work. Or is it you have no such inclination to better your standing in life, except to earn substandard, -unliveable - wages.
10/hr. is indentured servitude. You may say its ok for anyone to choose to do this.

UNDERSTAND THAT IS NOT WHAT IMPROVES YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND WORK. GET SOMEWHERE, INSTEAD OF SITIING 1, 2 OR 3 DOLLARS AN HOUR ABOVE POVERTY LEVEL.
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XXXXXXXX
ESPECIALLY NOT A DUES PAYING UNION MAN !

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Loc2090
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Here is some B.S. written by some contractor or his flunky who is salivating at the idea of lower wages/benefits or the decline of the union to add to his PROFITS.  How the hell does anyone live on $10 an hour.  I'm talking about about living, not subsisting and struggling to get by especially here in the NYC area.

I'd love to see this a**hole live on $10 an hour with no health and other benefits.

I think you have been nipping way too much on your Jack Daniels to even think this makes any sense.
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Jack Daniels
You need to target the US Government as they set the minimum wage.  If I can hire an experienced person to serve at banquets, clean rooms, clean a construction site, lay brick and mortar for $15/hr, why would anyone in their right mind pay $35/hour to do so?  
Have you heard of unionized banquet servers making over 100K?  That is ridiculous.  Work 40-45 hours and get that much to make sure the person gets salmon or steak.  What are you gonna say?  They need to be away from their families to perform this task?  So does almost every working citizen!

If you are making over 40K, you should be happy. Yes there is always room for improvement and yes, people would never complain of receiving a hire pay check.  
Why dont you union folks go unionize a mcdonalds or a burger king.  Arent they the ones that need "help" to push them over the poverty line?  Why is it that the ones that complain are always the ones making a decent salary.

You union folks are fools anyways.  Why dont you ask your union head to give you individual retirement plan statements like the rest of the hard working private/public sectors.  Your funds are all in a ball of money where union heads, most linked to the mafia, can just pluck out of left and right for their liking.  Its unaccountable money since its just a ONE HUGE WAD OF CASH. Fight for that right, right in your own backyard, before you take it to someone else's backyard.  
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Jack Daniels
I am all for health and benefits.  I am not for overpaying for what I know can be done for a lot cheaper.  
All you folks have come into a situation where its either a yard contractor or an electrician, plumber for your house....
If one person quotes you $100 and another reputable guy quotes you $50, are you gonna be the fool to go with the $100 or are you gonna be smart to go with the $50 to GET IT DONE(again, both companies are reputable)?  Ask yourself that and put yourselves in those shoes before you come back bitching.  
There will always be someone else that will do what you dont want to do at a lower cost...and that lower cost will probably be a higher cost than his/her previous paying job.  
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Jack Daniels
Here are your glorified leaders....  

http://mafianewsreport.com/tag/mafia-union-influence
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Greg Kelty
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     You don't get it do you? You think it is allright for investors to pool their resources and or use public funds to build a building to make millions in profit, but it is not ok for the skilled tradesmen and women, who actually build that building, to come to together to collectively bargain for fair wages and benefits so they can have a decent standard of living. We're not getting rich on our wages, believe me were barely getting by. I'd like to see you get by on $10.00 hr.
     It's attitudes like yours, that through out history the have caused the masses to rise up aganist the tyrant rulers. LET THEM EAT CAKE
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william davenport for president
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jack daniels you must be drinking jack daniels and smoking the pot too. lolxpk3g
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Jack Daniels
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Senor Greg Kilty,
Its OK to collectively bargain, i'm fine with that.  However, there are the games you guys aka unions play with inflatable rats at the jobsites that are non union.  For those that want to work at a fare wage, let them work.  Why must you harass them and play your dirty tactics.  Everyone has a choice.  Go union or go non union.  You union wannabes just want the whole pie and to picket in front of non union job sites...thats how much time you guys have.  

If someone wants to work for $13, so let them.  Its probably better than them making $7 elsewhere.  Its not the developers fault or the contractors fault if they set the wage and people come to work....think about it.  Is it low? yes, but if there are biters, voila, maybe its not that low.  I think 80K/year is low..will someone do my job for less? most likely. We're all in different "situations" and strive to get more.  Stop playing your silly harassment tactics with inflatable rats and flyers calling a developer names because they dont use union and I will quit with my banter.  Afterall, it is america...I promote freedom of speech, but not when it flings itself to harassment.  
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XXXXXXXX
JD. get it right 10/13$hr is not a living wage no matter what you say about choice.
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Jack Daniels
XXXXXXX,
So why dont you unionize mcdonalds or burger king where they are making $7....Or are you too worried that your cost of your lunch/food in the afternoon will rise so you dont want to do that?  Nobody is being forced to work there.... Yea, everyone wants to get paid for doing very little. ...Thats the american dream.
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XXXXXXXX
Bad example JD. Typically thiose that want to inmprove as they grow up do not tend to work at such lower wage jobs. Unless of course your there just to feed you family. & I ask you on 175/week how is that accomplished ( By your family eating ramen noodles every day). Tyically kids have these jobs while Mom & dad pay the rent. Otherwise there is always those unable or unwilling to aspire to more  ----BAD EXAMPLE JD
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Jack Daniels
The key word is "typically"...You are the one thats saying how can you live on $10/13...I ask you, how can you live on $7 if you cant live on $10? Surprisingly, during this economy and the good economy that once was, most of your "typical" mcdonalds staff are not kids. They are adults ranging from 18-70+ of age, who are working there because they do not have a good education(like many of your foreman/union members)...so I ask you this again, why not unionized a mcdonalds? Will it hurt your bottom line when you go eat there for lunch so you do not touch it?? BAD EXAMPLE XXXXXXXX,  Just because you use typically, does not give you a good case.  

I can say that typically, the american workforce is non-union....only 10-15% of the workforce is unionized...typically....  does that mean that we should disregard the 10-15% unionized workforce since they are minority?  I would like to say YES, but I would assume you'de beg to differ..
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XXXXXXXX
Well then your an idiot for thinking anyone can live on 7-10-or 15/hr. in todays world. Thats why union SKILLED labor gets what we do ! SKILL JD. If they lack it they can go get it ! And if they can't is this the middle clkasses fault.
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Jack Daniels
Yea there are skilled laborers, but then you have the laborers that dont know jack, but are part of a union because they're friends of a union member....ever see the traffic directors at construction sites that wave flags around all day?  I've seen a union member taunt a younger union member telling him to "wave that flag proudly" as he's getting paid a lot of money to do so....mind you the flag waver looked fresh out of college.  
Ever see the minority union members aka hispanics work(dig a hole) while the other union members aka caucasian stand around?  I have.  $15/hour is 2x above the poverty line.  The owner is taking all the risks in building/owning the project.  Be considered lucky to work.  There are people that are WILLING to work for a lot cheaper than you and quieter than you to get the job done, thus this is why you need to pull out the scare tactics aka the rat.  

What do you think your reason for pulling out the rat is?  The developer does not owe you anything.  He put out his budget and if unions cant meet it, then goodbye.!  someone else will meet his number, and if nobody does, then he will need to up it.  
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Jack Daniels
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Thinking and doing are two different things.  Many people have a wage of sub $15 and are doing just fine.  XXXXXX, you're probably factoring too much discretionary income for titty bars, thus you need more money.  DONT HATE THE PLAYER, HATE THE GAME.  Blame the government for setting the minimum wage.  
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william davenport for president
jack daniels,you are a jerkoff. we are carpenters we dont stand around and wave flags. we are skilled craftsman. you are either a ball braker or a ignorant scumbag because you group all construction workers into one group,there are many trades.i guess when building a skyscraper 50,60,70,80 stories or higher you would not want skilled union ironworkers but stupid flag wavers who don't speak english. i see the safty in that.jerkoff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jack Daniels
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Sir William,
Times are changing.  If you dont conform to the "new" society, where the dollar is depreciating, unemployment rates are rising, Obama, your cherished socialist leader be making beautiful speeches yet horrible execution.  
France Spain and Italy are great examples of where America is heading.  Get ready for higher unemployment and union crybabies who still hold onto that memory of how it was 8 years ago.  If you think you can hold onto your benefits without making concessions, you're wrong...unemployment is nearing 10% and i'm sure there is another person with your skillset willing to work for 2/3rds of what you make.  

Its gonna be cut-throat out there, best of luck to you.  
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