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There's really good material all over the web. Others have gone befor us. SOME WIN SOME FAIL. Guess Doug sees it as that corporate thing where its cheaper to litigate than it is to cave.

Now its on you, everyone of you, -- & I,
They got theirs, We get this.

Otherwise forget it, ------ its over.
 
REMEMBER NOT ONE UNION CARPENTER ON A FUCKING VETERANS HOSPITAL, I TAKE THAT, AS A VET, VERY PERSONALLY INDEED PRESEIDENT McNUGGET.

Query him you'll get the picture, -Good reading

CONTACT DAN FRANCO IF YOUR SO INCLINED !


McCarron was born in 1951 in Chatsworth, California. His father was a meat cutter in a supermarket. While still in high school, he married and had a daughter. Dropping out of high school his senior year, he took a job as a construction worker, hanging drywall. He quickly joined the carpenters' union.[1]

In 1980, McCarron was elected president of his local union. He was named to the negotiating team of the Southern California Council of Carpenters, a regional body covering contractors and other employers in 11 counties. During this time, he came to the attention of leaders with the national carpenters union.[1]

In late 1984, McCarron was named a trustee of the Southern California Pension Fund, the carpenters' union retirement fund. In late 1985 and early 1986, McCarron discovered that $130 million in loans to construction companies were delinquent but no action had been taken by the other trustees. Working with Ron Tutor, a construction company owner and co-chairman of the fund's board of trustees, McCarron and others filed a federal civil suit alleging that the pension fund trustees had made sweetheart loans to employer trustees, masking the loans as investments. Several of the construction projects had failed, with the fund suffering significant losses. The suit was settled out of court 1989 when insurance companies representing the trustees and construction companies paid the fund $30 million. Under the terms of the settlement, all the defendants agreed to immediately and permanently resign from the pension fund's board.[1][2]

McCarron's relationship with Tutor was not without controversy. In 1993, the carpenters' pension fund made a large investment in a company which held televised boxing matches at a Palm Springs, California, hotel owned by the fund, and a $40 million investment in a company that supplied nearly all the concrete for one of Tutor's construction companies. The value of the latter investment declined by 31 percent, leading union members to call for a federal investigation.[3]

[edit] District council tenureMcCarron was elected secretary-treasurer of the Southern California Council of Carpenters in 1987.[4] He quickly reorganized the union, a move which became a hallmark of his later career as international union president. At the time, the Southern California carpenters' union had hundreds of mostly autonomous local unions which managed their own affairs (some well, some not), set their own work rules, competed with one another for jobs, and ran their own hiring halls. The district council had little power. Employers, however, wanted to work with just the district council, one set of rules and one wage structure.[1]

McCarron quickly began merging locals, sometimes through elections and sometimes through trusteeship.[5] In 1988, he forced 18 Southern California locals to merge, leaving only four large ones. Using the union's trusteeship powers, he appointed new leaders to the newly-merged locals and transferred most of their assets to the district council.[1] The mergers caused heated political and legal battles.[6] Five locals sued to stop the forced merger in federal court, but lost.[1]

International union officials, who had already consolidated the number of union locals to 1,466 from 2,200 since 1978,[6] sided with McCarron, and the wave of consolidations continued.[1]

Some union members questioned McCarron's motivation for the mergers. For example, in 1991, several carpenter locals in Orange and Riverside counties were trusteed. The locals were forcibly merged into a new affiliate, Local 803, which was in turn supervised from McCarron's Los Angeles offices. In 1992, carpenters' international union president Sigurd Lucassen and McCarron ordered a snap one-day election to select new Local 803 leaders. Nominations and the election were held on the same night. Of the 3,400 active and retired members eligible to vote, only 140 did so. Union members appealed the election results to the international union, which rejected the complaint. The union members then complained to United States Department of Labor (DOL), arguing that union officials were trying to use the election to tighten their control over Local 803. A federal judge agreed, noting that Lucassen and McCarron had violated federal labor law and the union's own constitution.[7]

[edit] Rise to the presidencyThere was turmoil at the top of the national union as well, which eventually vaulted McCarron into the union's presidency.

[edit] Turmoil in the CarpentersLeadership of the carpenters' union had turned over quickly in the 1980s, causing political instability in the union. President William Sidell had retired unexpectedly on December 31, 1979. William Konyha was elected to replace him on January 1, 1980, winning the regularly scheduled presidential election in August 1981. But Konyha served little longer than a year, resigning as union president on October 31, 1982.[8] First vice president Patrick J. Campbell assumed the presidency, and won election outright in 1985. But Campbell, too, resigned from office, stepping down for health reasons in February 1988. First vice president Sigurd Lucassen was appointed president to succeed him.[9]

Making matters worse, the union had been rocked by financial scandal. In 1989, Lucassen told union members that Campbell had approved $95 million in loans to various builders, only to have nearly all the construction projects lose money or declare bankruptcy. Half the union's annual budget of $200 million might be needed to write off the loans. Lucassen blamed Campbell and bad advice from investment advisors, and initiated several lawsuits against them. But several elected union leaders accused Lucassen in federal court of colluding with Campbell to approve the loans.[10][9]

When Lucassen ran for election outright in 1991, he was challenged by the union's national secretary, John S. "Whitey" Rogers. It was the first contested election for presidency of the carpenters' union since 1915.[9] The election split the union's 15-member general executive board, with half the members supporting Lucassen's slate and half supporting Rogers' slate. In a hotly contested election rife with allegations of fraud, Lucassen and his running mates Dean Sooter, first vice president; Paschal McGuinness, second vice president; Jim Patterson, general secretary; and Jim Bledsoe, general treasurer, won. Sooter stepped down in 1993, and McGuinness became first vice president. McCarron was then appointed by the executive board as second vice president.

[edit] Tenure as second vice presidentAs second vice president, McCarron won acclaim for helping to organize new members. A large number of Southern California non-union drywall workers had struck for higher wages and better working conditions in 1992. McCarron got the national union to provide the workers with money, staff and other resources. Still secretary-treasurer of the Southern California district council, McCarron used the district council's resources to support that drywallers as well. The workers not only won their demands but formed a union and joined the carpenters. It was a major victory for the union, and one which enhanced McCarron's reputation among rank and file members.[11]

[edit] Election as presidentRogers asked DOL to overturn the election on the basis of fraud. DOL sued the union, and in 1995 reached a settlement with Lucassen and the union calling for a new election. Realizing he could not win after having essentially admitted he had committed fraud in the 1991 election, Lucassen did not to run. McGuinness, meanwhile, had been accused of, and subsequently settled, racketeering charges[1] and quit the union to run for secretary-treasurer of the Building and Construction Trades Department (BCTD) of the AFL-CIO. Lucassen then appointed McCarron as first vice president. At the 1995 convention, Lucassen announced his retirement and nominated McCarron as general president along with Jim Patterson for the merged secretary-treasurer position and Andris Silins as first vice president.[11] McCarron ran unopposed, and easily won election as president.[1][12]

[edit] PresidencyMcCarron quickly implemented organizational reforms on a national level similar to those he had instituted in Southern California. The decision-making authority and assets of the union's 1,400 locals were shifted to 55 regional councils. In Michigan, for example, three district councils and 27 locals were merged into one regional council. McCarron and his leadership team personally appointed most of the leadership (most of them McCarron loyalists), although elections eventually occurred. Local members were stripped of the right to elect business agents and vote on contracts, and permitted to elect only regional delegates. Regional delegates now elected only the district council secretary-treasurer, and the secretary-treasurer appointed the local business agents.[13] Even district councils were not immune to merger, as district councils in Michigan, New England, New York, Oregon, Utah and Washington were merged into large regional councils. McCarron also stripped authority over organizing, political action and union assets from locals, placing it with district or regional councils instead.[14][1]

McCarron demolished the union's four-story headquarters across the street from the United States Congress in Washington, D.C., and built a 10-story office building in its place. He also built a $100 million training center near Las Vegas, Nevada, and increased training programs at 180 smaller centers throughout the U.S. and Canada.[1]

The changes did not come without cost. Dissident locals, including large ones in Atlanta, Georgia, and San Francisco, California, were trusteed on (allegedly) thin evidence. In 2001, carpenters in the British Columbia Provincial Council of Carpenters voted to disaffiliate from the international union in protest against McCarron's actions. McCarron called the council communist-dominated and argued it had lost too much market share to survive.[1][15] By 1999, angry union members had formed Carpenters for a Democratic Union to challenge McCarron's actions and unseat him as president.[16]

In August 2000, McCarron won re-election with more than 90 percent of the vote.Rank and File members were not allowed a voice at the time the vote was taken. Only hand picked Regional Council staff members were allowed to vote at the election. The vote was held via a voice vote and no secret ballots were permitted at the time.[1]

[edit] AFL-CIO disaffiliationMcCarron led the carpenters' union out of the AFL-CIO in March 2001. "The AFL-CIO continues to operate under the rules and procedures of an era that passed years ago, while the industries that employ our members change from day to day," said McCarron in a letter to AFL-CIO president John Sweeney.[17] As per the rules of the AFL-CIO constitution and bylaws, the carpenters were forced out of the BCTD. Nevertheless, McCarron told his district and regional councils to continue to work closely with BCTD unions. At the same time McCarron ordered his Regional Councils to engage in a campaign of raiding other AFL-CIO Unions[18]

McCarron moved away from the AFL-CIO politically as well. He became one of president George W. Bush's strongest union supporters, and broke with the rest of organized labor to endorse the re-election bid of Florida governor Jeb Bush.[18][19]

[edit] ULLICO scandalsFor several years, McCarron served on the board of directors of the Union Labor Life Insurance Company (ULLICO). In this capacity, however, he was caught up in two scandals.

The first ULLICO scandal occurred in 2002. In June 1998, the New York City local of the carpenters union hired Zenith Administrators, a ULLICO subsidiary, to oversee the union's $1.7 billion pension and benefit funds. In 2002, federal prosecutors and DOL investigated the company for allegedly obtaining the contract through McCarron's influence. DOL sued ULLICO and Zenith Administrators for mismanaging the union's funds, although McCarron himself was not accused of any crimes.[20]

In 2003, McCarron was caught in a second scandal at ULLICO. ULLICO president, chairman and chief executive officer Robert Georgine had instituted a stock trading scheme whereby ULLICO board members -- most of whom were labor union officials -- could purchase the company's stock at a low price. Since ULLICO was a privately held company, the board members themselves set the stock price. Once they had set the price higher, they could sell their stock at a large profit. The stock repurchase scheme was uncovered, and McCarron and the other directors accused of breaching their fiduciary duty and breaking federal and state securities laws.[21] McCarron returned his profits to ULLICO and resigned from the board.[22]

[edit] Change to WinAlthough the carpenters' union was not part of the AFL-CIO in 2005 during the debate over the federation's future and John Sweeney's re-election campaign, McCarron voiced repeated approval of the goals of the Andrew Stern-led New Unity Partnership (which eventually became the Change to Win Federation).[23]

McCarron led the carpenters into Change to Win in August 2005 as one of the coalition's founding unions.

In 2009 McCarron was forced out of the Change to Win Coalition when McCarron attempted to raid several Change to Win affiliate Unions.

[edit] Notes1.^ a b c d e f g h i j k l m Cleeland, "Organize or Die," Los Angeles Times, March 10, 2002.
2.^ Weinstein, "Union Trust Funds Accept $29.9-Million to Settle Suit," Los Angeles Times, January 31, 1989.
3.^ Willman, "Subway Builder's Link to Union Questioned," Los Angeles Times, May 24, 1993.
4.^ At the time, the secretary-treasurer was the highest office in the Council.
5.^ A union trusteeship is different from that of being a trustee for a trust. Most American national union constitutions contain a provision for the parent union to take over a regional, state or local union under certain conditions. These conditions vary from union to union. Some requirements are quite strict and require lengthy due process investigations; others may be imposed for little or even no reason, including mere political disagreement. Under most union trusteeships, the parent union is able to impose new leaders (commonly national union staff), take over the assets and offices of the union, depose existing officers, fire staff, and more. Federal law governs trusteeships, and unions must be returned to democratic control within certain time periods.
6.^ a b Bernstein, "All Sides Lose If Feuds Continue in the Carpenters Union," Los Angeles Times, April 26, 1988.
7.^ Flagg, "Judge Orders Carpenters to Conduct New Union Elections," Los Angeles Times, October 30, 1993.
8.^ Hartson, "Carpenters Union Leader Stepping Down," Associated Press, October 19, 1982.
9.^ a b c Crowe, "$94M Loss Spurs Unusual Carpenter Union Election," Newsday, October 9, 1991.
10.^ Swoboda, "Carpenters Union Could Lose $95 Million," Washington Post, September 20, 1989.
11.^ a b "Carpenters Get New Leader," Engineering News-Record, September 4, 1995.
12.^ Galvin, "Carpenters Union President to Step Aside," Associated Press, August 17, 1995.
13.^ Winston, "McCarron Remodels Carpenters," Engineering News-Record, May 26, 1997.
14.^ Crowe, "Carpenters Start Controversial Task of Retooling Union," Newsday, September 4, 1996.
15.^ Harrell, "Milwaukee, Chicago Carpenters Unions Merge," Milwaukee Daily Reporter, May 18, 2004; Dickson, "Brunswick Union Local Fights Merger," Jacksonville Florida Times-Union, May 13, 2004.
16.^ Lewis, "Carpenters Group: Union Has Stripped Our Rights Away," Boston Globe, May 27, 1999.
17.^ "Carpenters Union Withdraws From AFL-CIO, Citing Disagreement Over Internal Policies," Labor Relations Week, April 5, 2001; "Carpenters Ending Ties to AFL-CIO," Los Angeles Times, March 30, 2001; Strope, "Union Breaks Away From AFL-CIO," Associated Press, March 29, 2001.
18.^ a b Harrell, "Carpenters May Rejoin Building and Construction Trades Dept.," Milwaukee Daily Reporter, December 10, 2002.
19.^ Greenhouse, "Bush Finds a Friend in Carpenters' Union President," New York Times, September 11, 2002.
20.^ Chen, "Labor Department Is Suing 2 ULLICO Units," Wall Street Journal, March 26, 2002; Raab, "Critics See a Conflict in Union Contract," New York Times, August 9, 1999.
21.^ Hamburger, "How Union Bosses Enriched Themselves on an Insurer's Board," Wall Street Journal, April 5, 2002; Hamburger, "Global Crossing Courted Union Leaders," Wall Street Journal, March 18, 2002; Hamburger, "Grand Jury Reviews Stock Transactions by Insurance Firm," Wall Street Journal, March 15, 2002; Edsall, "Carpenters Union Head Facing Federal Probes," Washington Post, October 14, 2002; Greenhouse, "Report Said Directors of Union-Owned Insurer Should Return Unfair Trading Profits," New York Times, April 2, 2003.
22.^ Edsall, "ULLICO Forces Chairman Out Amid Stock-Trading Dispute," Washington Post, April 24, 2003; Strope, "Lawyer: Stock Trades Enriched ULLICO Exec," Associated Press,' June 19, 2003; Edsall, "Ullico Board Seeks Return of Stock Profits," Washington Post, May 14, 2003.
23.^ "Carpenters Joins Five AFL-CIO Unions in Coalition to Rebuild Labor Movement," Labor Relations Week, June 30, 2005.
[edit] ReferencesBernstein, Harry. "All Sides Lose If Feuds Continue in the Carpenters Union." Los Angeles Times. April 26, 1988.
"Carpenters Ending Ties to AFL-CIO." Los Angeles Times. March 30, 2001.
"Carpenters Joins Five AFL-CIO Unions in Coalition to Rebuild Labor Movement." Labor Relations Week. June 30, 2005.
Chen, Kathy. "Labor Department Is Suing 2 ULLICO Units." Wall Street Journal. March 26, 2002.
Cleeland, Nancy. "Organize or Die." Los Angeles Times. March 10, 2002.
Crowe, Kenneth C. "Carpenters Start Controversial Task of Retooling Union." Newsday. September 4, 1996.
Crowe, Kenneth C. "$94M Loss Spurs Unusual Carpenter Union Election." Newsday. October 9, 1991.
Dickson, Terry. "Brunswick Union Local Fights Merger." Jacksonville Florida Times-Union. May 13, 2004.
Edsall, Thomas B. "Carpenters Union Head Facing Federal Probes." Washington Post. October 14, 2002.
Edsall, Thomas B. "ULLICO Board Seeks Return of Stock Profits." Washington Post. May 14, 2003.
Edsall, Thomas B. "ULLICO Forces Chairman Out Amid Stock-Trading Dispute." Washington Post. April 24, 2003.
Flagg, Michael. "Judge Orders Carpenters to Conduct New Union Elections." Los Angeles Times. October 30, 1993.
Galvin, Kevin. "Carpenters Union President to Step Aside." Associated Press. August 17, 1995.
Greenhouse, Steven. "Bush Finds a Friend in Carpenters' Union President." New York Times. September 11, 2002.
Greenhouse, Steven. "Report Said Directors of Union-Owned Insurer Should Return Unfair Trading Profits." New York Times. April 2, 2003.
Hamburger, Tom. "How Union Bosses Enriched Themselves on an Insurer's Board." Wall Street Journal. April 5, 2002.
Hamburger, Tom. "Global Crossing Courted Union Leaders." Wall Street Journal. March 18, 2002.
Hamburger, Tom. "Grand Jury Reviews Stock Transactions by Insurance Firm." Wall Street Journal. March 15, 2002.
Harrell, Jeremy. "Carpenters May Rejoin Building and Construction Trades Dept." Milwaukee Daily Reporter. December 10, 2002.
Harrell, Jeremy. "Milwaukee, Chicago Carpenters Unions Merge." Milwaukee Daily Reporter. May 18, 2004.
Hartson, Merrill. "Carpenters Union Leader Stepping Down." Associated Press. October 19, 1982.
Lewis, Diane E. "Carpenters Group: Union Has Stripped Our Rights Away." Boston Globe. May 27, 1999.
Raab, Selwyn. "Critics See a Conflict in Union Contract." New York Times. August 9, 1999.
Strope, Leigh. "Lawyer: Stock Trades Enriched ULLICO Exec." Associated Press. June 19, 2003.
Strope, Leigh. "Union Breaks Away From AFL-CIO." Associated Press. March 29, 2001.
Swoboda, Frank. "Carpenters Union Could Lose $ 95 Million." Washington Post. September 20, 1989.
Weinstein, Henry. "Union Trust Funds Accept $29.9-Million to Settle Suit." Los Angeles Times. January 31, 1989.
Willman, David. "Subway Builder's Link to Union Questioned." Los Angeles Times. May 24, 1993.
Winston, Sherie. "McCarron Remodels Carpenters." Engineering News-Record. May 26, 1997.
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In late 1984, McCarron was named a trustee of the Southern California Pension Fund, the carpenters' union retirement fund. In late 1985 and early 1986, McCarron discovered that $130 million in loans to construction companies were delinquent but no action had been taken by the other trustees. Working with Ron Tutor, a construction company owner and co-chairman of the fund's board of trustees, McCarron and others filed a federal civil suit alleging that the pension fund trustees had made sweetheart loans to employer trustees, masking the loans as investments. Several of the construction projects had failed, with the fund suffering significant losses. The suit was settled out of court 1989 when insurance companies representing the trustees and construction companies paid the fund $30 million. Under the terms of the settlement, all the defendants agreed to immediately and permanently resign from the pension fund's board.[1][2]
McCarron's relationship with Tutor was not without controversy. In 1993, the carpenters' pension fund made a large investment in a company which held televised boxing matches at a Palm Springs, California, hotel owned by the fund, and a $40 million investment in a company that supplied nearly all the concrete for one of Tutor's construction companies. The value of the latter investment declined by 31 percent, leading union members to call for a federal investigation.[3]
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 Ted you wrote and this is of great concern, - When Locals elect Leaders with balls & brains, and hire "competent legal counsel" to represent members interests;    

  For example and clear me up on this if you or anyone else can, - as to NY;

    JUST WHO WERE LCL 157 AND OR THE OTHERS USING AS COUNSEL DURING THE YEARS SINCE SHERRIFF McNUGGET CAME GALLOPING IN /96 ???

 COULD BE PROBLEM SOLVED, ------ IF I HEAR THE RIGHT ANSWER.
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LISTMAN - Finally an educated member, someone who got his facts down. Known thine enemy & realize who, what you are dealing with here....who these people surround themselves with, sordid characters & legally speaking & the rest is simple.

You better have a sack to go against them, better have deep pockets & you need to search long & hard to find the proper legal firm who can pursue your interests and stay in it to win., for 10-15 years & then some!

They are playing for keeps & if people get hurt along the way, have unfortunate accidents etc, so be it. This is not a game for the children.

 
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How to contact each other ? We've got to speak ! We are the group that has the biggest set and we can porove it contact:

 iamlistman@yahoo.com


ps. Someone tell me, if the answer is available, Was it OD&B representin' locals.
 Remember they were pulled as NYCDCC primary counsel when as obvious fund trustees the firm played too many sides of the coin.

The devil is in this detail boys.
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anon thinks:

It would seem that there are no real opposing arguments for sustaining the current system.

Here's mine;

anon thinks:  " Powerless locals with no voice serve no one other than the employees of the councils and international who can operate without any accountability.

CORRUPT LOCALS with no voice, MINUS THE CORRUPTION, -  is members / local power.
The same voice which would inevitabltly alter what you claim would happen as a result of sustainig locals---it checks & balances this quote of yours -- " international who can operate without any accountability.  
Having 25k men under the umbrella means less representatuion no matter how centralized


anon thinks: " How can you claim to be in favor of democracy and support an undemocratic council? "

HENCE , IF THE COUNCIL IS UNDEMOCRATIC THEN WE THE " LOCALS " MUST STRAIGHTEN THEM OUT.


anon thinks:  "  I for the life of me cannot understand how anyone can promote the theory that you can have a democratic system in this union, without a democratic council.

BECAUSE THE COUNCIL HASN'T NOR REMOTELY EVER WAS IN THE PAST 16-20 YEARS DEMOCRATIC.
FIX THAT, FIX THE PRINCIPALS OF LOCALS AND WHAT PART THEY PLAY IN YOUR SECURITY.
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The Kevin Price Story

 

 

     One of approximately 21,000 members of the St Louis Carpenters District Council, Kevin Price stands to be counted! The following press release is presented unedited in its entirety:

"I've flat out told them that I don't have a vote in this dog-and-pony show," Price said. "But I do have a voice. And they'll never shut it up."


St Louis CDC member Kevin Price commenting on his battle with the St Louis CDC leadership.

NEWS RELEASE                                                                        October xx, 2010

U.S. District Court Hands Victory to Dissenting Carpenter

In Union-Raiding by the Carpenters' District Council (CDC) of Greater St. Louis

Court Rules CDC Infringed on Free Speech Rights; Issues Preliminary Injunction

     ST. LOUIS — A dues-paying member and elected delegate of the Carpenters' District Council (CDC) of Greater St. Louis & Vicinity won a victory in federal court for the right to criticize his own union for raiding the work of another union. On Oct. 8, 2010, Judge Michael j. Reagan of the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Illinois granted Andrew Kevin Price a preliminary injunction to prevent the CDC from silencing him for speaking out against the union's formation of a carpenters' electrical division — Local 57.

     The court noted that "The council's support for Local 57 has been a topic of considerable discussion and severe disagreement within the union." According to the court, Local 57 was formed in 2008 at the direction of Terry Nelson, executive secretary/treasurer of the CDC. "The council then signed several non-union electrical contractors to labor agreements."

     Among the dissenters in the CDC was Price, who in the summer of 2010 put an anti-Local 57 sticker on his personal vehicle. A CDC representative ordered him to remove the sticker. When Price refused, the CDC filed charges and "...Nelson notified Price that he would stand trial on the charges October 19, 2010, conducted by a standing trial committee (of the CDC)," according to the ruling.

     In characterizing Price, the court noted: "He is a carpenter and a loyal union member. He earnestly believes that the council should spend the union's money assisting carpenters, rather than electricians. Price believes that Nelson formed Local 57 to raid other unions (trying to capture electrical work that other unions historically did), and that this policy is detrimental to the future and long-term goals of the Carpenters' union. Price also believes that Local 57 harms union solidarity and runs contra to the traditional notion of 'brotherhood."'

     After weighing the evidence, Judge Reagan granted the preliminary injunction in favor of Price, halting the CDC's efforts to put him on trial before its internal tribunal and infringe on his right to free speech.

     "The message is clear. Rank and file carpenters are free to exercise their right of free speech within their union as it relates to Local 57 without fear of reprisal," said Christopher N. Grant of Schuchat, Cook & Werner, the law firm that represents Price. "Indeed, the court said it best: 'Price is a proud and loyal member of his own Carpenters union who wants to preserve that union. He vehemently disagrees with certain policies advocated by his current union leaders -- policies he believes are antithetical to the best interests of his beloved union.' ... The right to reform a union from within is protected."

The ruling is case number 10-cv-0741-MJR-PMF and is linked HERE

The following excerpt appeared in the St Louis/Southern Illinois Labor Tribune October 21-27, 2010 Edition.


Disagreement over Local 57 widespread in CDC, but so is 'fear' to speak out

     The discontent regarding the action of the Carpenters' District Council's leadership to form an electrical Local 57 within the carpenters union is widespread among members, and even some of the union's leadership, but no one wants "to make waves because Nelson (Terry Nelson, the union's top executive) will chop their head off."

     Speaking out candidly to the Labor Tribune, 20-year member Kevin Price is himself a delegate to the Carpenters' District Council (CDC) that is supposed to be the ruling body of the CDC.

     "I've heard plenty of bitching (about Local 57) and a lot of his leadership disagrees with him (Nelson) but members don't want to pursue it. The men are afraid to put them on (the 'NO 57' stickers), but we may see more now," Price added, referring to the ruling last week by a federal judge that carpenters can freely express their opinions about Lo­cal 57, which includes wearing anti-57 stickers, without fear of retribution.

     He said that a CDC official "pretty high up (who also disagreed with the 57 decision) was about to tear his hair out over this issue."

     "The members say it's wrong. Nelson says it's to protect our work, and I'm all for protecting carpenter jobs. But he's taken it to an extreme. There are other ways to settle disagreements. You don't go out and start your own union," Price noted.

     Using an example of his brother he said that they have disagreements, and "we don't get along all the times, but we work it out."

     Nelson has lost sight of what his job is, Price said. "He's acting like the CEO of a company and that members are his commodity. That's not right. He's the representative of us; the bosses are the 20,000 union members in the council."

HOPING OTHERS STAND UP

     "Yes, I'm a bit nervous about it all. Some members tell me I'm cutting my own throat by standing up," Price admitted. "I'm hoping that more of my union brothers will now stand up."

     He added that he has been warned that, "they're going to hurt you. Your union's never going to help you now." To that he replies, "We'll just find out. I'm a carpenter, I'll always be a carpenter. I believe in brother­hood. I've got brothers in my union, and union broth­ers in the Ironworkers, Sheet Metal workers and Pipe Fitters. By all of us standing together, we are stronger."

     He proudly adds that his father was a union pipefitter working in the 50's at Shell Oil. "To me we're a brother­hood. We stand together, all unions."

     However, he said that Nelson himself told him, "Why call it a brotherhood? It's a business."

     Not to me it's not," Price responded.

Other sources carrying the story:

St Louis Post Dispatch - Carpenter tops his own union in free speech case

The Southern Illinoisan - Judge: Union can't stifle carpenter  

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Ted Doherty says:
Anybody see a Pattern Here?

It’​s called “​racketee​ring”​…​.criminal​ Enterprise on a National Scale. The real Investigation should center on the ongoing &​ continued fraudulent operations of the International UBCJA..

The International has unlawfully restricted the members right to VOTE, by the filing of fraudulent lawsuits engineered to do an end run around the NLRA, NLRB regulations as well as multiple Constitutional Rights guaranteeing same. Ref: Harrington v. Chao First Circuit, wherein, NERCC filed bogus lawsuits by Senior Level Executives claiming to be Rank &​ File Members &​ by doing so, fraudulently induced the Secretary of Labor to push the case on the Internationals behalf.

This case set the stage for the international &​ regional councils to impose the mobility clauses unto all the contracts nationwide &​ therein cede control to the Employers, which effectively ended any &​ all local control of every UBC local in the nation.

Moreover, it removed local elections of business agents by the members, who now exist in a system wherein all BA’​s are appointed by the councils EST’​s who are hand-picked lackeys, men known to be out for themselves only &​ no one else.

The rampant fraud &​ corruption that we have endured for 15-years under McCarrons leadership, combined with the raping of members pension, annuity &​ health &​ welfare funds should be the subject of grand jury probes &​ indictments of key international officers &​ regional council officers;​ and, said charges should be pursued by the new Secretary of Labor (Hilda Solis) and the US Attorney Generals Office &​ US Dept. of Justice.

Said fraud has cost UBC members nationwide billions of dollars in losses &​ theft from said funds, and has lined the pockets of our corrupt officials, who are apparently in bed with the US Department of Labor. Payoffs, bribes, kickbacks, mail fraud, wire fraud are only the beginning of charges that should be brought. Money laundering, offshore accounts (untaxed) &​ many, many other charges can &​ should be added to this list.

Nothing has changed with the unions &​ the DOL, DOJ &​ U.S. Department of Justice have all collectively failed miserably at their jobs &​ their sworn duties to protect the rights of employees​…​working men &​ woman within the United Brotherhood of Carpenters &​ Joiners of America.

The UBC constitution is illegal, its bylaws are illegal &​ it’​s mobility clauses are illegal &​ yet - our officials are still attempting Appeals, refusing to comply with Decisions &​ Orders for the NLRB Board, all the while, the general counsel for the NLRB looks the other way. That alone, is cause for disbarring all attorneys from the practice of law.

For all you UBC officials living the high life in your do-nothing sell-out, the jobs you now hold…​.better be careful, better pension out &​ get lost, because we’​re coming to get ya &​ your all going down.

For all you Portland men &​ woman getting screwed by the UBC, go to www.local157​blogspot.com &​ www.local370​voice.com. Read up - catch up - get up to speed &​ get moving hunting the bastards down &​ forcing them from office.

This needs to go viral within the UBC - all 50 states and Canada as well.

ATTENTION HILDA SOLIS - DO YOUR DAMN JOB, HAVE YOUR GENERAL COUNSEL INVESTIGATE THE UBC INTERNATIONAL, GET THE US DOJ &​ US AG INTO THIS AS WELL…​.GOD KNOWS YOUR OVERPAID, NOW IT’​S TIME TO EARN IT &​ RESTORE INTEGRITY TO A CLASS OF WORKERS, NATIONWIDE, AS 600,000 OF US HAVE SUFFERED FOR 15 YEARS UNDER THE GESTAPO REGIME OF UBC PRESIDENT DOUGGIE MCCARRON!!

Posted on 04/16/10 at Friday, April 16, 2010
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This needs to go viral within the UBC - all 50 states and Canada as well.

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Why you calling Benson, he doesn't believe what you do.
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This rat did not call Benson. He went there in person and pretended to be for the rank and file and against McCarron and Spencer when we here know he is a UBC rat. He was fishing to find out how much support the AUD was giving to those of us who have asked the AUD for help. How desperate are you handlers.
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THE MACK IS BACK !
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anon, = MISLEADING ENOUGH !
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Local 45 unanimously passed a resolution last night for its delegate to send Spencer message demanding member vote on our contract, demonstrating the usefulness of locals.  
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Anon,I love you passion but if you think for a second that the members of this District Council would  actually be given voting rights on the DC level you are crazy.
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