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Tommy McGonnigle
One can only wonder why average working class Americans would vote for a party that is so obvious in their bias towards the wealthy. It would make sense that someone in the top 1 percent of the income bracket would vote for the Republican party since they have the wealthiest American's best interest at heart. You could even make the case that highly religious Christians would vote for Republicans even though, at times, they vote against their own best economic interests. So the question remains, while scratching your head, why do working class Americans vote for Republican candidates?

I once sat down and spoke with an acquaintance of mine, trying to get a grip on what people are thinking about the future of our country. He said he voted for Mitt Romney in 2012 because, "we need a business person to get our debt down." I asked where he got his news and information from, and after trying to deflect from the question, the answer finally came. "I don't pay attention too much, but when I do, I watch Fox." Fox News is the primary source for information for millions of Americans across the country and that's where the problem starts.

Whether it's Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity or other right wing ideologues, Fox News is a tunnel vision information outlet with only one particular agenda that is being pushed through. Millions of Americans watch Fox News, listen to the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Neal Boortz, Michael Savage and others while getting information from right wing think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute. With big businesses and billionaire allies, the truth and facts in American have gone from a clear right and wrong, black and white situation to muffled shades of gray. It's not to say that Fox News, the Cato Institute and others like them totally lie because that would be too difficult to pull off. What these think tanks do, is take a fact and twist it to fit their own personal agenda, leaving out key information that would contradict with the platform they're trying to create.

A perfect example in describing the way groups like the Cato Institute operate is a report that came out by alternet.org. In the early 2000s, the Cato Institute released a report that suggested that families receiving welfare were making between $17,000 and $25,000 a year, but the Center for Budget and Policy Priorities countered that claim. The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities showed that the average income for welfare recipients was below $9,000 a year, which is nearly $3,000 a year below the poverty line.

The misinformation also comes from another right wing think tank, the Heritage Foundation. In 2011, when Paul Ryan released the "Ryan" Republican budget, the Heritage Foundation claimed that unemployment would drop to 6.4% in 2012 and to 2.8% in 2022. A report released by the Washington Monthly pointed out that these claims were extremely exaggerated. The CBO, the Congressional Budget Office, showed the errors of the Heritage Foundation's report and the director of the Heritage Foundation's Center for Data Analysis, William Beach, was forced to walk backed the claims.

In 2009, the Heritage Foundation released ads attacking the Employee Free Choice Act, a bill that was brought to congress that would give all employees the right to form a union without fear of being fired from their current job. Since the Heritage Foundation is bought and paid for by million and billionaire conservatives, the idea of having workers unite with more power and freedom threatens their control at the top. The ads released painted a false picture about the Employee Free Choice Act, claiming that unions will bully workers into joining them with an attempt to take money from the employee. According to the Huffington Post, the Heritage Foundation "frame(s) the EFCA issue based on bald-faced lies. Business-financed 'think tanks' like Heritage propagandize workers against their own interests in psychologically sophisticated ways, often pulling on their heartstrings and framing their anti-union stance as 'common sense.'"

Average Americans need to be more informed about what is going in the country, but also where to get their information. The argument isn't about holding a liberal or conservative ideology, it's about facts that are based on truth and not information based on twisted logic. Americans need to learn to dig a little deeper to find honest reporting, not just believe something that falls in their lap at the expense of a billionaire funded think tank or news organization.

(Updated: 2/20/2014)
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Tommy McGonnigle
I did not write this, I reposted it from, examiner.com -
Misinformed USA: Why average Americans vote for Republicans
By Robert Sobel
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hammer
Tommy you dope, even democrats vote against the middle class. Look at H.R.83, Shumer pushed to get it approved and yet it destroys union pension plans. Wake up Tommy Dems and repubs are not on our side. There has to be a revolution in this country for the middle and lower class to take back their rights.
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john
Where in HR83 is the provision you are talking about?
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Tommy McGonnigle
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There will never be a revolution in this country, when on a good day you can barely get half the electorate to the polls, and you will never break the two party system until the people get off their butts and get involved and get out and vote. Just look at our membership and how much the masses think about getting involved. A real shame
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alpineto
It boggles my mind when i see whats going on in the industry
all the non union work thats going on , and the members don,t seem
to mind , well i have news for you the members your done for if you
don,t get involved somehow , all those years you worked so hard for
so you could have a nice retirement . well your pension isn,t guaranteed
imagine working for thirty years and being told your only going to get a third
of what you where supposed to get , if we go under that,s exactly whats going to happen
so wake the fuck up & contact your local politicians and tell them your not happy with whats
going on on these non union sites , 65% of the workforce are illegal immigrants on these sites .
theres no way on this earth that we can compete against them , when there willing to work 10 11 12
hour days 6 days a week  for peanuts .
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Tommy McGonnigle
Thank You
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Inwood Irish
Tommy, I am glad you had the courage to admit that you did not write that propaganda that was spewed on this site. I know you are not good of a writer! However; you are guilty of the same crimes you accuse those who get their news from Fox. One thing is absolute and undeniable: the rich got richer under Obama and the middle class has been crushed.
It is hard to believe anything the democrats say! Our health insurance is going up, out of pockets expenses are increasing, doctor choice is more limited. We are more polarized than ever. Our foreign policy is deeply flawed; our enemies don't fear us and our allies don't trust us!  
As long as you have this blind allegiance to the so called party of the working class they will continue to crap all over the working man.
One final note and be honest with yourself; What have the democrats done for labor, answer: nothing in the last 6 years.  
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Corruption
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Average Americans need to be more informed about what is going in the country, but also where to get their information. The argument isn't about holding a liberal or conservative ideology, it's about facts that are based on truth and not information based on twisted logic. Americans need to learn to dig a little deeper to find honest reporting, not just believe something that falls in their lap at the expense of a billionaire funded think tank or news organization.

Aren't most if not all nycdcc members Americans.
If 20k (here in NYC) or for that matter 450k nationwide, can not in a slice of life fashion Tommy, motivate themselves as to the true ownership of either their country or union and its councils, all this failed cumbaya rhetoric only means torches and pitchforks is the only means to the end you speak of.

You just wimessed this first hand throughout Walsh's so called great experiment in democracy.

Corruption, be it dem or republican keeps the middle class in its place. Stop it and maybe, just maybe.............

Short of that your tune rings hollow.
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john
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One thing Democrats have done for unions  is keep Davis Beacon laws in effect, another is they have fought hard (and lost to the GOTP)  against efforts to curtail collective bargaining.
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hammer
Democrats are on the take just like republicans. H.R. 83 proves it. Shumer and many democrats voted for it, But it destroy. Mccaron Backed it, but it destroys your pension. John do your home work and read H.R. 83. Don't be lazy. Research it. Also Google Mccaron writes letter to congress to support H.R. 83. You will see how your best buddy Mccaron wants to destroy his own members pensions. Mccaron wants to be relieved of the yoke of responsibility for any failing pension plans and H.R. 83 allows him to lower retirees guaranteed pension monthly payments, or eliminate them all together. Bill H.R. 83 also take away the government backing of our pension funds at 75 cents on the dollar. It eliminates any bailout of our pension funds should Mccaron and his cronies fail in their bid to keep our defined pensions solvent. Wake up john the system is corrupt and rigged. DECERTIFICATION IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN AS MEMBERS TAKE BACK OUR UNION AND RUN IT ACCORDING TO THE MEMBERS NEEDS.
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john
Where in HB 83 is these pension amendments  you are talking about ? How are they applied?
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F*CKED BY UBC/DC
It was a letter from building trades, union I must add, which sought on behalf of fund trustees, and read aloud before legislators in the three days prior to the vote, that they wanted the power to make it their decision as to adjust pension payouts downward, when they "feel" it is in danger.

Congress was the body which had to approve these pension adjustments, now its in the hands of McCarron.

America has been undermined by "so called" patriots such as this unions president.
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Will Anyone
Has anyone asked Doug why he wrote that letter? Will anyone ask him to answer why he doesn't look out for the very men that pay his overblown salary? The fact that the number one action to make our union better is having these B A's go to job sites and speak directly to members about the fact that their future is up to them, is not being done. Ever wonder why? Ever ask them why?
  Could it be true that they are taking orders from Doug? Where is the guts to ask for accountability? Maybe accountability is not a union friendly word???????????
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$$$$$$$$$$$
I hope these are rhetorical Q's because there really isn't need to indicate that once " union men" have now sold their souls in name of the almighty dollar and power, which is the answer to each & every question you posed.

As to asking McCarron why, same answer applies.

Corruption wears the McCarron name as but one accessory.

YES MIKE TOO!!!!
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totally disgusted
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Under Obama the rich have gotten richer, and the middleclass poorer. The average household income is down $3000. He's created twice as much debt as Bush who he called unamerican for adding 6 trillion. What is he if Bush is unamerican? Every single thing about Obamacare was a lie. He uses the IRS to go after honest American taxpayers. He drew thousands of illegal immgrants here then shit all over the constitution to make them citizens when there are no jobs for Americans. All for future votes. These immigrants will be taking tons of union jobs within a few years. It's nearly impossible for middleclass Americans to get by these days because of his insane policies and spending. I dont want to go to the doctor anymore because of the bills I get. My doctor wants me to get a colonoscopy and Im putting it off. I get hundreds of dollars in bills for bloodwork. My wifes brother is in his fifties, living with his mother, and hasn't had a job in ten years. He just had a colonoscopy, got eyeglasses, and went to the dentist. He didn't pay a dime. He said he got Obamacare. He thought it was fantastic. I have Hep C. Just got another bill for bloodwork for $110. I have to have blood taken every two weeks because of the new Hep C medication I'm taking. If I was on welfare, or a junkie on a Methodone program I wouldn't pay a dime. Thank you Obama, and the democrats. I ask you, how in Gods name can any working middleclass person vote for a party who's answer to everything is raising his taxes to give it to people who haven't done anything to earn it. Entitlements don't help the middleclass you fucking asshole! Spending like a drunken socialist doesn't help the working class! All the republican run states are thriving you fucking dummy. This man has destroyed this country! You like taking it in the ass, don't you? Either that, or your a real asshole. This man is incapable of telling the truth. You have him on film and he still lies, and you blame fox news. They are the only news network telling people what's really happening. You morons who watch MSNBC don't even know what happened with the IRS. They hardly reported on it. They wont report on anything that shows their messiah in a bad light. Nothing about Bergdahl the deserter who because he deserted 6 men in his unit were killed. Obama trades this piece of shit for 5 of the worse American killing scumbags on the face of the earth, then tells us they wont go back to the battlefield. Really. One of them already has. He invites the deserters father to the white house where he recites the Koran in the dialect of the Taliban. Then he sends his top moron Susan Rice out on news shows to say Bergdahl served honorably, and with distinction. When the men in the deserters unit who actually served honorably were outraged, liberal scum like the ny times belittled these good men by saying they were just a bunch of ragtags who walked around poorly dresssed at their stations. You can't make this shit up. Not a word from the liberal media once again, and this moron talks about fox news. That piece of shit Obama didn't call any of the mens families who died searching for that scumbag, let alone invite them to the white house. I can go on forever. You want to talk about Jonathan Gruber? The guy none of the democrats knew, yet there are tons of film with them glorifying the guy. Liberals are destroying this country with insanity. What about the keystone pipeline? Is the democrats fighting against that good for working men? All those union jobs lost because of democrats. Wake up guys! The wealthy create jobs, not the government. Give the corporations tax breaks and they come back to America. It's not rocket science. Would you keep your company here if the government wants half the profits? They also have an obligation to their stockholders. Democrats have killed business in this country with their insane taxes and regulations. The small business person has died in America because of democrats. WAKE THE FUCK UP!!
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Steve McInnis,      President
When you said " I can go on forever", I believed you brother.......
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URright
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Well, I see we have finally got someone to come to reality besides myself. I think more and more of these "progressive" liberals are finding out that they're not in the same democratic party that Then President JFK was head of!  "Ask not, what the government can do for you, but what you can do for yourself." I know I changed it a little, but you get my point. Each person in a free society is accountable for they're own life. Why do we drug test the working man, but not the man who gets our hard earned money? I bet they think they will lose there vote, that's most important isn't it?
   Time to return this government to the people, and that's why they want our guns, so we can't!!
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totally disgusted
THESE ARE NOT YOUR FATHERS DEMOCRATS!! These people are nuts! The shit that is going on in this country is absolutely unbelievable. America is unrecognizable. The news stations that lie and cover up for Obama and the left have so many stupid people believing their bullshit it make you lose faith in human nature. It's not hard to find out the truth these days. It's easier than ever in fact. People on the right are so much more informed because of news stations like fox that sooner or later it has to come to a head. For years all you hear is fox news lies, but they can't give you one example of what they lied about. These are people who have never watched fox news. They have to be. All I can tell them is that if you want to finally get your head out of your ass, and actully know what is going on in your country, then just start getting news from the only people who report it as it is. Yes they are a conservative news organization, but unlike the liberal media they have no problem reporting bad shit about a republican or conservative if thats what the news dictates. We now live in a America where everything bad is okay, and everything that was always good isn't. All created by the left with their political correctness and all the rest of their bullshit. Look at the whole Michael Brown thing. The cop is the bad guy, and the scumbag who just strong armed some little old guy working 16 hours a day for pennies is the good guy. Then they have you believe that there is an epidemic of white cops killing black men. Forget the stats. Forget that 1% of black men are killed by cops, and 93% of them are killed by other black men. Then you had the occupy wall street jerkoffs. Robbing and raping, shiting in the streets, destroying businesses in the area, annoying people going to work. That's the side the dems stood with. At the same time the tea party people were labled as radicals and racists by the liberal media. A bunch of working class mothers, fathers, grandparents with their kids peacefully protesting and waving American flags...and what were they protesting? Lower taxes, less government intrusion, and personal responsibility. How does the left keep getting away with this shit? THE LIBERAL MEDIA! Everything I just said is fact.... and if you can prove any of it wrong, bring it on. You dumb Obama loving motherfuckers wouldn't know any of it because you don't watch fox news. You watch the networks that got that moron elected, and won't say a bad thing about him know matter how many fucked up things he does. We are dying in this country, and your kids will be paying for his sick spending of taxpayer money long after you are dead, and we might pay for it sooner than that because of him these terrorist scumbags are stronger than ever. He has so much blood on his hands it's unspeakable. Tens of thousands of women and children mutilated in the worse way because this asshole knows better than seasoned generals and military people. He caused it, and now he refuses to do anything about it while they grow stronger and stronger, and if you don't think they'll be here sooner or later, you keep watching MSNBC and continue to think everything is going good here in the good old USA like Obama and his buddies in the media keep telling you.
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The truth
Thank you totally disgusted for a well written statement of facts. Please continue to smarten up the misguided folks who read this site.
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