As I always respect opinions from other carpenters and the viability of issues that need to be addressed is being worked on by the New District Council that dissolved local union 608.
Every carpenter has a voice in this forum and in meetings but carpenters like always are afraid to induce real issues. Carpenters argue pointless issues, meaning without merit and substance.
The real issue here is the out-of-work list which the majority of the carpenters rely to get work. When shaping a job the contractors will ensure you don't get work with them or render a sob story about how they have to match the 50/50 rule. So we all try to get work with the union or on our own to no avail.
If carpenters work continuously with a company there should be no problem, everyone is working and the way it should be. I have known carpenters do great work but still get laid-off. Apprentices worked with contractors for 4 years straight and know the job thoroughly and when they become journeyman they all get laid-off and have to rely on the out-of-work list which is not fair game.
Over 6000+ carpenters riding the out-of-work list is a crying shame. I believe it is time to start rattling the cage and get the District Council do something about getting work for our brothers and sisters.
I dont think contractors should be able to pick and choose anyone. Call me crazy but this picking and choosing pits one brother against another and is in no way in the collective interest of anyone but the employer.
What is the benefit? I am not asking to be facetious, I am genuinely curious how it helps the membership. I understand how it helps some members but you have three classes of carpenters; the always employed, the sometimes employed and the occasionally but rarely employed. I am just not sure who this is good for...
Hey Joel...maybe everyone but the foreman off a fair hiring list with no requests? It seems to work for some unions and it would be easier to spot a trend in the guys who don't work well. Would seem to be a win for all, yet if we go by only stats of work completed in a solid time frame then we will be screwing around the older guy who can't work like he used to. That may be the only problem I can see in that kind of hiring situation. Except for the former company guys who don't really want fair hiring practices I don't see who could really get upset.
That is probably a fair compromise. At least the contractor would have some continuity with regard to the overall scope of a project and its completion. Under this model the contractor would also have to commit to the handful who are running work by paying them more.
Contrary to what some say I do think having a skills list is a good idea. At least the skills list provides some assurance that a contractor is getting someone who at least has the knowledge to do the specific job they need done.
well i have seen it all the good the bad and the ugly they are some people in our great union that need to do there 4 years over as the shame to see them call them self carpenters not all that come from the hall but too many for the jobs to get done they make it bad for us hard working guys out there when you get a partner that can do nothing and all the work is on us hope all this turns out the best for our great union
I knew we could agree on some things. You may say I'm a dreamer but that is what a union should be like. People who worked steady would hate it but we need to share the work especially in the lean times. Our brothers and sisters are starving out there.
"Tough times don't last. Tough people do." Brian Jordan
Not at all brother - allowing the Contractors to pick is what provides the fuel to the "divide & conquer fire".
That is what created the disssension in the first instance and it is what has divided the membership to this vey day. It started under former UBC International GP Sigurd Lucassen & McCarron followed suit - busily destroying the UBC one Local at a time, via the "never ending Lawsuits" he damn near files daily.
The Loyalty should be to each other first, then the Union, not the Contractor - then & only then will the men & woman stand together as one.
I think that most members who are working under this selecting process will object to changing the rules which presents a problem. We should also do away with shaping jobs, again, this only creates competition among members.