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retired after 36 years
After much discussion with other retired members and members who are within 5 years of retirement it has become apparent that this new local will be a bad thing for the group above. It has been threatened that retirees and all other members who are presently working will be thrown off of medical upon joining amalgamated. Even though we have been told it is against the law the trustees can vote to do it and it would take a long drawn out court battle to reinstate medical. It has been said the new local will pick up the medical if members and retirees are dropped. How could this possibly happen, it would cost millions to do this and in the meantime members with ongoing medical problems both with themselves and  their families would be left with no coverage and a big problem. How does a member with 5 years to go retire with amalgamated. It won't happen. We believe the efforts of the whole NYDC as well as the rest of the country should be a movement to remove Mc Carron from the Presidents post. The country has impeached Presidents of the United States before. You can't tell me with enough members on board we could not remove him from office. Look whats happening around the world when the people get pissed off and demand removal of their leaders. We cannot support this new local.

ALTHOUGH WE AGREE THERE ARE SERIOUS ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE FIXED

WE CANNOT SUPPORT THE VOTE FOR A NEW LOCAL--------VOTE NO
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wanted to retire
these amalgamated guys dont have any answers just promises i was just at the meeting in wantaugh old john harkin was thumping for amalgamated from behind his big fat pension i dont understant how these guys all resigned left us holding the bag now they have a plan. i dont see how they can promise this crap nothing has been worked out there are no details. there were like 80 dock builders there please guys who are going to vote no send in youre ballots if you through them out they win. i know mcaron is scum but there are no real answers on the other side. they will never get the pension over to tier side the district council will have this tied up in court for years.
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Robert Kwiecinski
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Don't be fooled. If you are a retired member in good standing with the NYCDCC they have to give you your medical coverage unless they bankrupt it. If you join Amalgamated as a retired member and the NYCDCC somehow gets a membership list from amalgamated ,only then could they possibly revoke your coverege. But I'm sure Amalgamated would not let this member list out. You are safe do not worry. And just because you go to a meeting of Amalgamated does'nt mean that you are a member.Under federal law you can do as you please when it comes to freedom of assembly.
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Robert Kwiecinski
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The pension will roll over to the new Representing union (amalgamated) if they win the representation election with the NLRB. Federal erisa law guarentees this. The answer to true union democracy is Amalgamated. Get back control of spending and have a say and vote in Amalgamated.
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Robert get the facts!
Robert I have to say that the structure and By-Laws you have on your NJCU website are based on what a true union should be and I applaud you for that. But.......You dont seem to understand what Amalgamated has done to our Local by going after strictly those that worked for a GCA contractor in the last 2 years. They have basically split our local in half leaving those that have worked for AGC and the Independent Contractors Association left behind with no vote or say in the matter whatsoever! Does that sound like Democracy to you?

They would have to have new NLRB elections for the rest of the members that worked for the other associations 1 at a time if they win the upcoming NLRB election. Who's to say that they will or if those left behind will even want to sign a petition for it? Those that would want to leave the UBC and join the new union would have to resign from the UBC and will not get their pensions from the NYCDCC until they are 62!

If I am wrong please show me some proof of it before you try and put a positive spin to it.

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the claw
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My opinion is to push for renewal of UBC membership in the AFL-CIO. A national vote. One man=one vote.
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The claw said Impeach McCarron.  You have never been to one of the Kangeroo conventions. If they have opposition at one of the floor microphones the pull the plug or switsh it off.  The carpenters keep voting for him. The NYCDC voted for him in 2000 even wore his "Orange T-shirts" at the convention. A no vote is a vote for McCarron and you have no future (retired or working) with him.  Here's McCarron's PLAN. JIMMY here's the truth. Stick together brothers this a real chance to get our local (1456) Independent and democratic once again. You can't trust McCarron as he wants to get rid of his NYC headache. You will once again be able to VOTE for your Officers and Business Agents, everyone will have an opportunity to get elected. I know there is a lot of talent in our ranks. Let's make 1556 a TIMBERMEN local once again. STICK TOGETHER. Come on guys WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE. The Carpenters should follow the Dockbuilders otherwise McCarronism will spell your death. You can't trust McCarron, here's why. His plan was to hire Walsh and his kangeroo court to eliminate and merge locals. He also hired Conboy to help destroy the council. He had Frank Spenser hire the Retired NJ State Police Officer who is the manageing director of the NYCDC. He was hired because they said he was a specialist in getting Consent Decrees removed. Can't you see the writing on the wall??????? With ONE STROKE of the MIGHTY McCARRON PEN THE NYCDC DISAPPEARS. He dissolves all the locals and forms 3 new ones (395A Construction Carpenters, 395B Specialty locals Rugs, Millrwights, Timbermen; 395C Shop locals). After he appoints Officers, etc. in the new locals he then tells them that they are now proud members of the NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL. All your money (billions) will be transferred to the NRC (Northeast Regional Council) their funds aren't doing to well. McCarron and the NRC lost millions of pension dollars with the Bernie Madoff fraud. You will be in the NRC pension fund and medical program. This will all happen after Walsh leaves and the NJ State Trooper gets rid of the Consent Decree. He will also transfer the 395 Hudson street building to the NRC, and they will rent out the 9th and 10th floors as there will be no benefit fund employees (Fund was transferred to NRC). The three Locals 395ABC will have to rent offices. Vote YES before it is too late.

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Robert Kwiecinski
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That is not the case. Once the representation vote is done by the NLRB Amalgamated will be the new representing union of all dockbuilders if they win the election. There will be no split, no member left behind. Remember the way a representatiion vote works is if 50% of the members plus 1 of 1456 members want Amalgamated to represent them then the UBC is locked out of all dockbuilding work. The representation vote is not about the GCA contractors, its about what the membership wants.
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Robert Kwiecinski
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The pensions will roll over to Amalgamated the new representing union. The NYCDCC would not keep the pensions of  Amalgamated members. And Amalgamated membership will decide when you retire. If it is 55 or 62. The membership of Amalgamated will decide.
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You are wrong Robert!
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I am currently working for a GCA contractor but I am locked out of this election. because i haven't worked for a GCA contractor long enough  in the last 2 years. If amalgamated wins i will not be able to continue working on this job! This is going to happen to many of us that are unable to vote. That's not democracy. It's. F'n Bulls!t.
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Dockbuilder
Your wrong brother, if you have worked for any GCA members for 30 days in a year or 45 days in 2 years you should vote. Also, no matter who wins, you can not be thrown off of the job. Whoever told you that is just trying to scare you, go to democracy for Dockbuilders and reach out for help. Become educated on the issues, be informed
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Facts!
I have not worked for a GCA contractor for 30 days in a year or 45 days in the last 2 years so tell me how i should get educated?  Tell me how many members are unable to vote and will be left to fend for themselves and will be stuck with the NYCDCC because of the way this election is strictly for those who workers for a GCA contractor? We are all dockbuilders so we should ALL have a say in our unions future. This election will be splitting our Local almost in half and that is a fact!
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real facts
that is not a fact.1300 active members 1000 eligible to vote.thats not half.by the way i agree, all dockbuilders should be able to vote,but the nlrb sets the rules for the election not amalgamated.the remaining 300 or so will have their chance to vote in the agc election
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Dockbuilder
Brother educate yourself, don't fall for the NYCDCC spin. You won't lose your job because of this election. The district council is spinning like crazy, they are telling Dockbuilders the local will be split, yet at the same time fought to have single employer elections in each shop, which would have really split the local up.  You really need to be careful believing what is being said over there
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Truth
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Absolute nonsense that the NYC District Council Pension will "roll over" to the "Amalgamated" or any other organization.  The Pension fund is a defined benefit pension plan.  All of its assets are pooled for the benefit of the participants (NYC DC carpenters who are vested).  Pension benefits are held in trust and payable exclusively to vested participants upon retirement.  It would be illegal--a federal crime in violation of ERISA and the Internal Revenue Code--for the board of trustees of the NYC DC Pension (or of any other defined benefit pension plan) to send plan assets to another pension plan (which the "Amalgamated" doesn't have anyway) or anywhere else.  Anyone who claims otherwise is uninformed or is a liar playing his listeners for fools.
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I cant vote either!
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The brother said it best when he said it should have been ALL OR NOTHING! We could have easily gotten 51% of the entire membership to file a petition. This was started wrong by the wrong people!  

VOTE NO TO AMALGAMTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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unified dockbuilder
Even if you cant vote call people who can . tell them to vote thier are only 700 ballots going out the amalgatards prob. have 150-200 votes if only 300 come back they win get involved this is the bigest fight of youre life send them and the painters packin.
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LAST CHANCE TO PROTECT YOUR MONEY AND YOUR JURISDICTION !!! VOTE YES !!! The carpenters in the NJ & NY (Northeast Regional Council) have the piledriving jurisdiction in their Council. When the Independent Amalgamated Dockbuilders claim the work they will get it. The carpenters don't belong to the Building Trades or the AFL/CIO. MIGHTY McCARRON PEN: With ONE STROKE of the MIGHTY McCARRON PEN THE NYCDC DISAPPEARS. He dissolves all the locals and forms 3 new ones (395A Construction Carpenters, 395B Specialty locals Rugs, Millrwights, Timbermen; 395C Shop locals). After he appoints Officers, etc. in the new locals he then tells them that they are now proud members of the NORTHEAST REGIONAL COUNCIL. All your money (billions) will be transferred to the NRC (Northeast Regional Council) their funds aren't doing to well. McCarron and the NRC lost millions of pension dollars with the Bernie Madoff fraud. You will be in the NRC pension fund and medical program. This will all happen after Walsh leaves and the NJ State Trooper gets rid of the Consent Decree. He will also transfer the 395 Hudson street building to the NRC, and they will rent out the 9th and 10th floors as there will be no benefit fund employees (Fund was transferred to NRC). The three Locals 395ABC will have to rent offices

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WOW...... clapping for you Robert!

last time I heard a spin like that was from candidate Obama.
I went to the Amalgamated meeting this past Tuesday and even your committee stated that they would per sue the AGC and then the independent contractors to reunite the dockbuilder membership under a new banner. So it is about the GCA. Also the pension fund will not be forwarded to Amalgamated! A negotiate settlement is what your Spear Wilderman Esq. states! What will the time frame be on this settlement?....YEARS
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The NYCDCC LIES
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Stop it Ole Brian Joe and Bobby. If you came to the last 3 gatherings, you would see the retirees who actually come in FULL SUPPORT OF AMALGAMATED DOCKBUILDERS!! Lets see, 6 at the last long island meeting, 5 in edgewater and 3 in bedford. Furthermore, there isnt one retiree who even goes on this blog. Again you dip-shits, come to a meeting and see for yourself who attends instead of guessing. I know 2 retirees right now who would love to have a chance to speak with Ole. Cowards for McCarron