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wonderig
anon sorry i missed the meet what was said about local 608 hockey  team where the treasure?hockey net mask ect?
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RichardDorrough
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Dear Pat the Rat,
Stick your mission to discredit and dissolve our locals up your ass. Social club this.Your only mission is to pave the way for McPussy and his cronies intentions to dissolve locals. Nobody gives a rats ass what your opinions on the status of our Locals are. Stick your UBC propaganda up your ass. The only opinion worth less than yours is Derrico's and your holding it up as if it means something."Derrico admitted that local 157 is a social club, not a labor organization" Who gives a shit. Between the two of you the IQ level is about a 6.
     Your theory to give up our locals to the control of some rat council scum is pure delusion. The council system is a complete failure and in the case of NYC and the Empire Council completely corrupted. You have offered nothing to prove the council system can be anything other than the failure and corrupt festering blight on the UBC that it is and has been .Yet you spew your "social club" and "Labor Organization" bullshit and insist we give up and not fight to restore our locals and hand ourselves over for further corruption. We should just continue to give control of our rights and Locals to the same scum and corruption that has existed for the last 25 years.What hypocritical pricks to have declared that 608 had to be dissolved because it was corrupt and they are handing control of 608 over to the NYC District Council and UBC International.Handing the so called "Corrupt" Local over to two organizations who are so corrupt they make the mob look like boys scouts. What a great idea that is.What hypocritical scum, such as the NY Council who have watched Forde and most of its entire leadership sent to prison or accused of corruption, to have declared 608 corrupt when they are the very essence of corruption. What hypocritical scum, such as McCarron,Spencer and the UBC, to declare 608 corrupt when it was and is with Spencer and McCarrons approval and support that the corruption took place. It is with Spencer and McCarrons continued support that the corruption continues to this day. Yes . Sir. Lets give up our social clubs to these rat bastards.
     Get the message little man. Nobody gives a shit what your opinion on the locals is and spewing the same crap does not make it true. Now you hold the corrupt Forde holdover Derrcio"s declaration on "Social Clubs" up as if it means anything and confirms your own BS.
   ALL THE RANK AND FILE need to fight to restore our locals and NEVER concede to giving them up. If 157 is to pledge money for Lawyers it should be to separate itself from the Council control and restore the rights and power of the rank and file and the duly elected local Officers.McPussy has made move after move to consolidate power and funds while destroying locals and members who expose him and Spencer for the rat bastards they are. Look around at the destruction of the UBC and you would have us give ourselves over even further with no fight.You offer nothing to show the council corruption has ended or will ever end. Neither does Mr.Walsh in his "dissolve the locals" rant.You offer nothing to show the councils can ever be a viable choice yet you spew your "the locals are worthless give yourself to a council" BS.
    Despite your refusals to accept it we are not in the same boat as the other locals such as yours and WE WILL fight to stop some council scum from taking the rest of our rights away from us. Court actions such as Biellos and Prices are the answer and are forcing cracks in the UBC nut sack.Despite your repeated attempts at discouraging injunctions and court actions in favor of BS petitions and help from the AUD that was never promised members were smart enough to proceed and have achieved a level of success. I can promise you that more injunctions are to come despite your propaganda BS.
     Restoring the Locals and extracting our members from Council and UBC control is the only viable choice until a corruption free working system can be offered as a choice. We have none. Any local dissolved should be filing against the UBC in Federal Court and an appeal to the UBC International is a must. McCarrons right to dissolve must be challenged and stopped Local Officers should be retaining Local attorneys to protect their members and to stop the Council take overs. Court challenges by the Locals to extract themselves for the yoke of McCarrons Councils must be filed. Let us have a Federal Judge decide if the UBC has the right under the constitution to seize our Locals instead of the word and opinion of some stumpy little UBC rat or some loud mouth UBC prick such as Spencer,Glen or Garrison.
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Donny Arana
To Richard Dorrough:  I like your points and the way you say it. It would be a pleasure to have you at 157 meetings or a chance to meet you. I made a motion last night. I had a hard time wording it because I came up with as I said it.  The motion pretty much was that contract negotiations should be suspended as per - McCarron, Spencer and Ballantyne should not be negotiating for us.  We should work under existing contact until we are able to have elections for Est, Pres and VP to the NYCDCC. And an open election for Delegates to the NYCDCC.  Therefore, releaving us of the supervision of the UBC allowing our elected officials to start negotiating our contract.  I also urged our 157 members to communicate this to any friends of any other constituent locals to the NYCDC to make this motion at their local meetings.  What's your opinion on this?  Thanks. Donny Arana
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 "If 157 is to pledge money for Lawyers it should be to separate itself from the Council control and restore the rights and power of the rank and file and the duly elected local Officers."

Rich, This hits home w/a core interpretation that a select group has realized since our local started renting space from the Council. A local can not/ must not be in lock step with a council and this is nothing but a result of DC paid employees running the locals.

News Flash, some of the very same persons who were pro Derrico slate after the 157 trusteeship are only now ( why is that ? ) caught up with the crowd that never recognized Derrico's team in the first place.  Once they sided with everything Derrico and the rest of the bozo's put out. Its the most powerful singularly stated reason Derrico & the previous eboard was able to hold on as long as they did. For many years they aided the eboard in putting down debate & quashing any good of the order issues which went against the 157 leadership & the pro McCarron agenda. The eboard has been running that shell game for going on 15 -20 years now.

I state that these previously pro Hanley & Derrico slates are only now dead set against Puglieses rants and the smug Rambo attitudes at this point and there is a simple reason for this.
Crooked eboard members can't get them illicit work anymore, - thats why.
L. Derrico we've got the proof you were handing out jobs/. P. Caperso & Puggy you also.

Let me be clear about this Pugliese, you took that microphone from Derrico and entered the twilight zone when you stated the work list houses incompetent carpenters and thats why the contractors want to pick & choose who they want working for them. You put your own head on the chopping block this past Monday evening when you grouped us competent carpenters into that statement.

That flickering light in the corner of your eye was your carrer dissipation signal and due to that yelling & angered nonesense you were belittling us competent carps with, - means it just went into high gear


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listman
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 Any local dissolved should be filing against the UBC in Federal Court and an appeal to the UBC International is a must.

Another excellent point Rich.

We've discussed this and fail to see even with an eventual defeat in challenging the dissolution of 608 the newly elected ticket DID NOT FILE SUCH A CHALLENGE.
YOU LOOSE, - SO WHAT GET IT ON FILE ANYWAY.  Mcgonnigal's biggest failure.
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Richard Dorrough
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Donny Arana. Great motion. Was it seconded and voted on??. The UBC Constitution allows the Councils to negotiate the contracts and the rank and file can only ratify if the Councils LET THEM. Spencer and his rats will claim the right to negotiate due to their control of the Council in Trusteeship.
 Are you beat. No. There are two ways for you to beat Spencer and only two people who can override the UBC Toilet Paper. Walsh and a Judge. My opinion is to take the demand for removing Spencer and hiss cronies to Walsh in a petition signed by multiple members.You have plenty of evidence to prove Spencer and McPussy have cheated the members., have supported and facilitated the corruption and have not acted in good faith for the rights of the rank and file. Spencer has also illegally withheld raises and violated an exiting contract. How can Walsh not comply and remove him. He will not because it seems Ballantyne is his chosen UBC cronie. I do not believe he will remove him or take away his power. It does not suit Walshs agenda. Just like he ignored the illegal dissolving of 608 because his agenda supports dissolving the locals.
   So whats next. INJUNCTION.INJUNCTION INJUNCTION. Follow Biellos lead and present the same evidence to a judge and bury Spencer. Make your same demands and seek your relief from a Judge just as Biello did.You can probably get his lawyer to file it.The proof is there on McPussy and Spencer. The evidence of the members being aggrieved by their actions is there. They have lost with Price and Biello and now the UBC will lose with you.File it.
   
      As far as meeting me I hope you will on April 13th if I may attend your rally.
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this guy?
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Union Propaganda Review

 Charles Lezette who could care less about the working member has proven his ignorance again for the membership. He has insinuated that at his request the Empire Council ,which Lezette refers to as HIS organization, has donated money to a propaganda site called Union Review. I hate to break it to Lezette but his organization is Carpenters Local 370. If the Empire Council is HIS organization then we would hope he seeks office with them and stays away from the members at Local 370 he works so hard to screw.

  As a member of Local 370 I object to the Empire Council throwing away more of our stolen wages to support propaganda sites such as the one created by Richard Negri. I would also request Negri return the fleeced wages to the members of Local 370. The membership has had $1.60 in wages stolen in 2007 alone to pay for garbage like this as well as trips to the Yacht Clubs and Casinos. If Chuck Lezette and Richard Negri want to make themselves legends in their own mind by creating web sites to blow their own horn then let the two clowns pay for it out of their own pocket. The working member has enough bills to pay for without these two begging for donations to promote their private agenda.

  Perhaps the Empire Council can explain how the Union Review web site which supports raiding other Unions with Ron Taylor and  PATCO, is represented by such reprehensible people like Charles Lezette( "I am sick of the members having an opinion" and "I am a Hicks man") and is delusional to the point that its creator thinks he is the new labor messiah benefits the Local 370 member. How does the Empire Council justify a donation to such propaganda fools.  While Lezette was writing letters to solicit donations for Negri one has to ask if he wrote any letters soliciting money for the working 370 member. Instead of asking the Empire Council to donate money to finance propaganda web sites Lezette might ask the Council to buy the working member some gas or groceries. How about we take the money the Council pissed away to Negri and start a supplemental unemployment fund for the laid off Carpenter.

   I hope the members of Local 370 will remember this fine example of Charles Lezette promoting himself at the expense of the 370 member at election time. If this is indeed true than it should be further evidence of the ignorance  of those who have demanded they need to think for the 370 member. Wake up brothers. Until you act to take back your local idiots like this will be allowed to piss away more of your hard earned wages. Read Union Review for yourself. You already know who Charles Lezette is. Remember that Negri promotes the person(Lezette) who works to screw the Local 370 member and promotes the corruption in Local 370. I would hope after seeing for yourself you would tell Lezette to stick his Union Review stickers. I find it insulting that the Lezette and Negri think the members of Local 370 would be fooled by pretenders. I would ask the members of Locall 370 to write the Empire Council and demand the return of our funds from Negri. I would also suggest the members express their indignation that the Council would donate money at the request of porpagandists like Lezette.
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will penn
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  I ask , how many members will join 395 with the promise of work- because they are company men. For those carpenters , before you make that move, ask yourselves,how long will that last, and, what will your future be like if you do. Every job we go to is only temporary.The only thing we have that is permanent is our union,keep that in mind. In the long run it is the union that will sustain us,not McCarron or spencer or lawrence. We,the rank and file,are the stewards of our council .As we work together ,we ,will get it together.   solidarity is the key. Thank you brothers and sisters.
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Donny Arana
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Me and my friends would love to meet you at the rally. Keep in touch and thanks for the advice. I believe there are many ways to skin a cat and I like your approach.  Hopefully me and a few of my friends can meet you before the rally and exchange a few ideas.  I also welcome your opinion on my posts even if it is constructive criticism.  Sometimes that's when I learn the most, I wont crack like a sheet of glass.  Thanks again.  Donny Arana
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Ted
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anon - unsubstantiated by the Court's my ass. You ignore every post, every precedent, every landmark case ever written/decided....settled law......

MOUNTAIN PACIFIC - cont. (cruxt of the ruling) pg. 897
"The basis for a Unions referral of one individual and refusal to refer another may be any selective criterion which an employer could lawfully utilize in selecting from among job seekers.
   We believe, however, that the inherent and unlawful encouragement of union membership that stems from unfettered union control over the hiring process would be negated, and we would find an agreement to be nondiscriminatory on its face, only if the agreement explicitly provided that:

(1) Selection of applicants for referral to jobs shall be on a nondiscriminatory basis and shall not be based on, or in any way affected by, union membership, bylaws, rules, regulations, constitutional provisions, or any other aspect or obligation of union membership, policies, or requirements.

(2) The employer retains the right to reject any job applicant referred by the union.


(3) The parties to the agreement post in places where notices to employees and applicants for employment are customarily posted, all provisions related to the functioning of the hiring arrangement, including safeguards that we deem essential to the legality of an exclusive hiring agreement."


ANON
WHAT PART OF ITEM 1 DO YOU FAIL TO COMPREHEND? THIS CASE & UBC LOCAL 43 & LEBOVITZ REMAIN UNQUALIFIED, NETITHER HAVE BEEN OVER-RULED, OVER-TURNED BY ANY COURT IN THE LAND...THE END..........let it go, you lost this argument a long time ago

by the way, how much are the Council twits paying you to post meningless tripe on this site to aggravate good union brothers? just wondering







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Richard Dorrough
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Pat Nee. I have already given you these answers five times and all you do is continue to ask me to repost the same information which you refuse to accept and continue to try to discredit. Your a waste of my time. Walshs dissolve the locals rant is in the first report he published.But you already know that.

To all the others Lawyer. Lawyer. Lawyer. Injunction Injunction Injunction. I cannot say it enough.The only way your going to beat the UBC rat bastards is to take the issue outside the power of their kangaroo trial committees and their BS toilet paper bylaws.Despite Pat the Rat trying to convince you never to go that route and beat his UBC buddies it has proven to be effective and the UBC will lose.
     
 Pat Nee.It is amazing that now that I have your name and address your not running your mouth and calling me names.To late little man.

Donny Arana I dont believe I have ever been critical of your posts.
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608steward
Donny didnt say you were critical of his comments, but that he would accept criticism!
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Richard Dorrough
Ok. Thank you 608 Steward. I just wanted to be sure that he knows I respect what he is doing and to my knowledge have not been disrespectful or critical of his actions or opinions.

 For the Record .I am not threatening Little Patty Nee. It appears the UBC is concerned that he will not be so effective, if by being out in the open and having to answer for his actions and words, he has to stop being a loud mouth prick. I have no premeditated plans to beat his ass. That is not to say that if he ever stands before me in person and starts acting like a punk I will not make him piss himself and spit om him.The point I am making is that now that he is not anonymous he has changed his posts and punk ass attitude. I have said all along that he has a vagina and if not belong able to hide behind his keyboard would not have the balls to be the abusive prick he has been since he got here.Its to late little man you have made you bed now lie in it.
   
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Donny Arana
Like 608Steward said I know you didn't.  But if you did I would  take it constructively.
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Richard Dorrough
ZZZzzzzzzz Same old Pat the Rat BS. Face it.Your an insignificant little twit who matters to no one but you. I can see why you not in Ireland anymore. I am sure the Galway jackoff police ran you out of the country.
 
Now on a serious note. Have you ever been up to Cong and walked the river from the village up to Lough Corrib. Fish the size of your Arm.I was told the hatchery is near or in Cong.

Ashford Castle Gardens you have to sneak into(if you can) because even the tourist cant even afford to stay there but glorious none the less.

English Market in Cork for Greek Olives. The Cork Opera House. 2 Two Seats Front Row for Van the Man for 12 euro(1996).Brilliant

Road Bowling on the Mallow Rd up Dublin Hill Northside of Cork on Saturdays

Pissed Horse and Carts around Blarney and White Church on Sundays till half 11

Limerick on St. Patricks day with the Locals laughing at the Stupid Yanks drinking green beer.

And the Best for Last. Fish Dinners with peas on my chips at Annie Lennoxs on Barrack St in Cork.Best in Ireland. A Lennox dinner and four. No Five. no Six Guinness equals one of the worst s.... youll ever take.
 

It was a sad day when someone said you were Irish